Friends of Cougar

Cement Comments

Cougar Hot Springs

6/17/09 - 7/5/09

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: I cleaned the pools for 3 years after Michael and Mary Ann left. Cement won't really help with the cleaning but will keep wingnuts from tearing things apart.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: We are saddened to think that someone wants to mar the beauty of this place just to make it easier to clean. The truth is with the constantly flowing water cleaning is very likely not needed. These people will not be happy until the water is piped into a sterile swimming pool environment. I have an idea. If they are so interested in sterile environments, and concrete, maybe they should stay out of the woods!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: Put in TWO resounding NO's for us. What is the reasoning for it?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: Pardon my ignorance, but isn't this altering the hot springs in such a way as to change its status from natural to man-made and therefore make them subject to the Department of Health's regulations concerning public pools/hot tubs/saunas/other man made waters, including chlorination?  I know from (albeit loosely) following the Scenic saga up in WA that is what occurred in part...it would likely behoove everyone involved if the regulations for Oregon are triple checked before further cement pouring is undertaken.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: Thanks for all your efforts. Thanks for the chance for input.  I started coming to the springs in 1971, when there was no real trail,just a scramble over and under big logs, and the pools were really small and shallow compared to now. Lots of changes over the years, some good, some bad. In this case, I am hoping the changes are not too ugly and will help the pools stay together. Your points about cement are well taken,its just I suspect it will hold up to vandals better than fitted rocks. I would rather the pools be held together with concrete than have another vandalism or act of nature damage the pools again. If the rocks are covering the concrete, no problem. So sad that is even a factor for such a great place.

Thanks again for this site and being a friend to the best springs around.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: I think it's great that the springs are being fixed up and what not, but as an avid user and visitor of Cougar Hot Springs since 2006, I wouldn't be doing my job as a frequent visitor if i didn't send you an e-mail stating my opposition to the idea of cemented walls in the pools.  As I have read on the site, you are against it as well.  I am merely sending out a comment youre way on behalf of myself, and my friends and family who have thoroughly enjoyed the freedom and beauty that Cougar Springs gives us when we visit.  I hope the springs continue to remain a natural source of enjoyment.  It would break my heart to see it turn into something more commercialized.  Thank you for listening.  No matter what decision is made, we will still visit fequently!  Thank you for everything you and the other members of Friends of Cougar have done to maintain this beautiful piece of nature.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: a big NO from me from Switzerland!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: Well, that's a tuff one. The natural look is great but I think in the long term it would be better to make it last longer and to keep rocks from falling on anyone especially children. So I vote yes, it's a good thing to do to preserve the wall structures... But maybe some of you that live closer could volunteer to arrange the walls that would be approved by all.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09:

I am so glad to be added to this email list. I have a lot of wonderful
memories of visits to the springs. After hearing about all the
restrictions and "improvements" the past two decades, I stopped coming
up. I would really like the forest circus to get back out of there, and
return the springs to the people like they use to be. Is it actually
true that the springs are closed after sunset now? The best times I ever
had there were on rainy nights. There is absolutely no reason to have
the government interfere with the free and proper use of a well cared
for natural resource like the springs. I have gone through a similar
battle before in the high Sierras at Mono Hotsprings where again the
forest service wanted to yank out all the open free meadow tubs, and
force everyone to pay at a commercial bath house. Turns out the owner of
the bath house was the wife of the head of the Sierra National Forest,
and he caught major disciplinary measures when we brought it to the
attention of his superiors. Needless to say, the meadow tubs are still
there for everyones enjoyment all these years later.

Anyway, best of luck on your efforts.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: Keep the pools natural or cement them in with natural stones and keep the theme very natural...include natural stones inside the cemented pool basins
 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: I'd just as soon have rocks stacked without cement. The water flowing through keeps things fresh. Muck in the cracks is no big deal. Has no one ever used McCredie HS? Or Olympic? Of Spencer? A few flat stones in the bottom to make sitting more comfortable are okay, but the beauty of a natural pool is that it is natural. Don't make the canyon look artificial. Its natural state is the great attraction. Trees are going to fall, from time to time, no matter what we do. Use the results to exploit the natural condition of Terwilliger/Cougar HS.
 
I get there about every two years. Twice in the last 12 months, a great bonus.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09:

I can't really vote unless I see pictures of what has been done and what
is ongoing.  I am not a priori opposed to cement, so long as I am not
sitting on cement or looking at cement walls.  I trust this Alan Ash to
build a beautiful wall, and I know from experience that it is awfully
hard to stop a stone wall from leaking without some sort of cement. 
Furthermore, I understand that if Hoodoo is spending $39,000 on this
project they want it to last for at least 30 years without the walls
becoming unstable.  So...my vote is that cement between the rocks is
fine, but cement lining in the pools or above the water surface is not.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/17/09: Yes, I think it is fine to cement some of the rocks especially if it will create a safer situation for the users and stop any vandals from moving things around. 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/18/09:

I have long experience with Bagby Hot Springs, which of course is a
significantly different environment with cedar tubs instead of
natural rock pools.  There is a small health risk from the algae scum
which builds up on the surfaces exposed to the hot water, not from
the algae itself, but because the algae can harbor bacteria such a E.
coli which could cause infections, though usually only if the skin is
broken.  This was taken care of at Bagby by scrubbing and rinsing the
inside of the tubs daily.  But the other difference is that at Bagby
the same hot water can sit stagnantly in the tubs for hours,
increasing the opportunity for bacterial attachment.  I think that
the continuous flow situation at Cougar makes the bacterial risk even
less of a problem than at Bagby.

Aside from the health issue, I also think that natural rocks fit
better with Cougar's minimalist natural facilities.

You might also consider buying or digging some clay to use as sealer.
It is available from potter's supply places, but there are natural
deposits.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/18/09:

I think that Strawberry Hot Springs in Colorado may have cemented
rock pools, but I could be wrong. [Editor's note: Yes, it does.]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/18/09:

If I wanted to go to a un-natural hot spring I'd go down the road and swim in a swimming pool.

I guess it depends on how it looks, where the cement is poured, and how noticeable it is...
low impact, not completely paved over might not be too bad...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/18/09:

We were there in early August from the S.F. Bay Area-my self and my wife and 4 year old son.

It was their first time although I've been coming for 20 years.
I want my son to grow up with this natural miracle as he first saw it.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/19/09: no cement, we all have a pool when we need one, but not a NATURAL hot spring. Thanks

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

6/20/09:

Absolutely Not!!!!  Please no this will take away from its original authentic natural setting.  Cougar Hot Springs is the reason I chose to raise my son and moved here from NYC to raise him when he was 9mths old and he is now 12 yrs old and we visit it every other year or when we have guests that have never been to Oregon to understand the beauty and originality that Oregon offers.  Please do not cement the rocks.  I am also a practitioner and recommend these pools for detoxification purposes and do so over the Belknap Hot Springs as their pools are cemented and chlorinated to an extent which takes away from their healing contents.  Please contact me further if I can do anything else to protest and stand up for Cougar Reservour/Terwilliger Hot Springs.  Thank you for sending me this information.  Pool sit in order!!  I can rally up many people for such an event. 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

7/5/09:

It will destroy the natural aspect of the springs. Smelly muck is a part of it, and in the cracks, part of why I enjoy the springs. Reading the reasons for cement, perhaps we need another person to get paid to clean them? Thanks for letting folks vote on this, there are plenty of Springs with cement, keep Cougar more natural.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

7/5/09:

my vote is NO!!!!! Please do NOT destroy such a perfect place with more intrusion of man on nature. If the pools are cemented I can tell you I won't waste time visiting Cougar Hot Springs again. Which would be VERY disappointing considering I usually spend at least 4-7 days there each year and as a tourist in you communities of Vida and Blue River I can say that's a pretty chunk of revenue for those communities that I won't be contributing there anymore.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

7/5/09:

I learned how to swim in the pools, when I was a child. I helped clean the pools out and the muck was never a problem. Chrystal clean pools with natural soap stone rock in all sorts of colors. They are sacred. It should be left alone at its natural state. I VOTE NO on the cementing. It will never be the same.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Send Your Cement Comments

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

The final Cement Vote tally was 14% Yes, 86% No. 668 members voted. 91 Yes votes, 577 No votes.

Despite the overwhelming opposition to cement, Maria and her Hoodoo crew went ahead and used cement between the rocks in Pool 3 last week.

The cementing of Pool 2 came as a surprise to Friends of Cougar.

We had been assured by Hoodoo that the stone mason wouldn't use cement.

Hoodoo insists they didn't use (concrete) cement. But they did use cement.

The cement they used is hydraulic lime. To the average person, it looks the same as concrete. Functionally, they are identical.

 

Hit Counter visitors to this page since 6/18/09